Feminism | Posted by Nellie B on 07/20/2009
Feminist Camp
I just returned from a week long pre-college leadership program for young women at a college that will remain unnamed. I was brimming with excitement to attend the competitive program, for which I had to write several essays on feminism, submit grades and teacher recommendations. I anticipated a group of smart, articulate young feminists, eager to share their knowledge, skills and connect with like-minded girls. Perhaps I got my hopes up, or perhaps I’m an outlier. When I got there, I took a poll: how many of the young women identified as feminists? Approximately eight out of the 60 in attendance said yes. I was shocked. This was a “feminist camp.” Why were young women who had to write essays on what feminism meant to them so reluctant to wear that term with pride?
I’ve heard similar anecdotes about most women in the real world: they don’t identify as feminists because of the alienating stereotypes attached. But even at a leadership institute, comments in the Women’s History 101 class were prefaced with an “I’m not a feminist, but…” Every time feminism was mentioned, someone would drag out the tired trope of “hairy man-hating harridans.” This term, I’ve found, is added only as a disclaimer to an identity, not as a descriptor of real people. I challenge anyone who uses that phrase, or any variation thereof, to come up with a moderately famous person who fits that stereotype. Only Andrea Dworkin comes to my mind, and she was hardly an accurate barometer of feminism.
More disturbing was how so many of the participants presented themselves in class. In school, I’m one of the few girls who raises her hand. Turns out, I was one of the few at feminist camp as well. Our women’s history instructor read out a list of names of famous women, seeing who could explain each one’s significance. “Angela Merkel?” she tried. Not a flicker of recognition among the bunch. “Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf? Michelle Bachelet? Katharine Graham? Mary McLeod Bethune? Jane Addams?” The room was embarrassingly silent. I felt like an anomaly for eagerly explaining who each person was, let alone knowing. When a girl would tentatively venture to identify someone like Frida Kahlo or Hillary Clinton, her vocal patterns would be as dismaying as the group’s silence. Without exception, each comment was prefaced with an “um,” followed within a few words with a “like,” peppered with “y’knows” and ending in an upward inflection that would ordinarily signify a question. Though these are common speech patterns for teenage girls, it was discouraging to hear the young leaders of tomorrow speak in such halting and uncertain terms.
The disappointment of peers ignorant of feminism, women’s history and lacking in speech confidence was overshadowed, however, by the astonishing ambition of the young women. There were future doctors, politicians, executives and artists among them, all of whom were hardworking and dedicated to bettering the common good. Instead of framing their experiences in terms of male oppression, they demanded to know why equality wasn’t a given in out society. Read your feminist history, ladies, I wanted to tell them. Learn about our foremothers’ struggles and progress, learn how to speak up without apology and you can succeed. I am certain they will.

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femmom @ at 9:43 am, July 20th, 2009
The word “feminist” has too many negative connotations.
As an adult woman, I can tell you from my own life experience that American women hold themsevles back more than any man ever will, especially in the workplace. You think that you can accomplish everything and can do it all but it’s very difficult. I scuttled my own career once I had children. I found it just too hard to have a high level professional job, commute in a big city, and raise 2 toddlers who I sepnt a couple of hours with every day. I was just not happy. I felt like I was not giving either my job or my children 100%. So I stepped away from work. Nobody made me do that but myself.
Alex Catgirl @ at 3:01 pm, July 20th, 2009
Did you attend a feminist camp or young women in leadership camp? They are quite different.
I have never been to a feminist camp but attended a bunch of women leadership events when I was in HS, (I’m at university now).
It’s not just the “man hating” stereotype that makes girls,and grown women ,run from the feminist label. As a movement, feminism has been controlled/co-opted by very radical factions….Like man-hating, hairy *butch* lesbians(femme lesbians were tools of the patriarchy and bi girls were worse).
That’s ancient history, Ariel Levy is not. That prudish,jealous, bitter old shrew declared war on me!(and a few million other girls/women).
Consider the “checklist” that’s used by many feminists today
female – yes
POC- No
poor – No
transgender – No
intersexed – No
Queer – I’m bisexual, what does that have to do with the plight of girls/women?
non-abled – No (most people phrase it the other way – disabled)
Neurodivergent(meaning autistic or having Asper’s syndrome) – No
Unattractive – No (They phrase it as a negative, being considered conventionally attractive is a ‘privilege’)
Overweight – No (they phrase it as a positive – fat acceptance).
I scored 1, maybe 2, out of 10, I failed feminism =(
The good news is that as the latest generation and can reshape the movement to meet the needs of women, instead of advancing people’s, some of whom are not even women, special interests.
peggy, Wash. DC @ at 5:14 pm, July 20th, 2009
I fully support your shock and amazement at the lack of knowledge of women about our heratory. Whether this was a leadership or feminist camp, women need to demonstrate confidence, work on speech patterns and substatiate their goddess given heritage by studying up and taking themselves seriously enougj to do the hard work. No qualms with stepping away from a career to raise a family, that is the most noble job-and motherhood is a job of the highest calling… So why not work to change laws that treat pregnancy as “disability” while pushing viagra and several other ED drugs as if they were essential to the good of the universe. I also can rant about experience but the seeds of fire were planted in my high school days, when yes, I attended an all girls “academy” and it was great! We were able to learn and compete without the stigma of who is most popular with the opposite sex! Of course the environment was not devoid of these adolescent conditions but the general atmosphere was to learn and speak and build your personal skill sets in preparation for taking on the twists and turns of “the real world”! No one should be naïve, yet this is the present, this is now not then and the women and young girls of this generation must take up the cause and continue to protect what progress and freedoms women have gained and what risks our rights face in a very serious way. Keep your laws off my body comes to mind when I think of the current state of Roe v Wade. The idea that anyone but a woman and her private physician should make any healthcare decisions is absurd. Why if men could get pregnant could you imagine the benefits that our health care system would offer? I have digressed but I am glad you have started this blog! Keep up the good work, take your rights seriously or be stuck with the outcome! We have all the power we need and must fearlessly go forward to improve the way it is not the way it was.
RebJ @ at 7:56 pm, July 20th, 2009
The “alienating stereotypes” about feminism annoy me to.
What about the politicization of feminism–it has come to the point that the word itself is synonymous to “radicalism” or “extreme liberal”. It is a lot like the politicization of evironmentalism, and that in the end is harmful for everyone. Why should a concern for the well-being of fellow humans and our planet be a political statement?
Kate @ at 9:33 am, July 21st, 2009
Andrea Dworkin was not man hating at all (read her speech A Day Without Rape) she probably had the most love of humanity of anyone that’s lived. In fact Dworkin, to me, was an excellent example of how feminism could be if we only loved the movement and each other enough to allow ourselves to experience the pain and suffering of questioning our own privilege, of experiencing truth in order to create change. And if we were only brave enough to face the persecution that comes when we speak out against domination. If we were brave enough not only to call ourselves feminists, but to in fact be feminist.
Cara Mills @ at 12:01 pm, July 21st, 2009
Just today I thought about the “I’m a feminist, but…” conundrum. I hate it too. I also told someone today that if you believe in female equality then you’re a feminist. Spread the word.
Ben @ at 6:10 pm, July 21st, 2009
Things aren’t going to change until more of these girls start taking up the mantle of feminism and and changing the perception of feminists themselves.
Girls are taught to be quiet, cute, mannered. They aren’t taught to think of themselves first like boys. If they were, feminism wouldn’t seem so uncomfortable to them. But these girls don’t have the self esteem to face the idea of ostracism and they buy into post-feminism.
Carol Wyatt @ at 12:04 am, July 22nd, 2009
This is an interesting article. I have found many feminists in my business despite the fact that it is a male dominated business. I work in animation and I’m surrounded by all different types of men. They do not harrass me, nor belittle feminists. But, some women do. It seems to me that women hold women back more than anyone. Men tend to make laws and policy from their point of view. If we don’t speak up it’s our own fault. Every change takes work and we shouldn’t be afraid to work for changes that benefit us. Yes, there are sexist men with giant egos. But, I have found that it is the fearful women who create the most tension in the work place. We all need to work together.
Rabbit White @ at 12:08 pm, July 22nd, 2009
I have long identified as feminist but I honestly don’t see a place for me in feminism. Feminism has become socialism. I am anti-state and think where feminism went wrong was in trying to bring equality through the state, at the point of a gun.
Meggie @ at 3:09 pm, July 22nd, 2009
Hey Nellie!
I know this comment is a few days late, but I’ve been thinking about this and wanted to get it all straight before I commented.
All throughout high school, I would have said I wasn’t a feminist. Perhaps it had to do with the school I was at, perhaps it had to do with the place I was in my life. But I never I identified myself as such. I did in middle school, but for some reason I took away that label once I hit the 9th grade.
Now I’m about to start my sophomore year in college (am I too old to be a part of the fbomb’s community?? =]). In the last few weeks of of last year, though, we were studying feminist critiques of media. While reading Laura Mulvey’s theories on “the male gaze,” I felt entirely disconnected with feminism. As a anti-abortion Catholic, so many views I have are contrary to what a “traditional” feminist has. And Mulvey’s theories just didn’t affect me at all.
I mentioned this to my boyfriend at the time (we’ve since broken up), and he replied, surprised, “I thought you were a feminist.” I vehemently denied it.
I’m not sure why I did that. Luckily, my vehement denial triggered something in my head. Feminism isn’t a law. You can be a feminist without being a certain “thing.” I can be a feminist and be anti-choice, just like others can be feminists and be anti-other things. Feminism isn’t a doctrine that one must follow, but rather it’s a way to expect others to behave.
There’s a quote from Jezebel yesterday (I’m sorry, I forget who posted it, or who it was from) that I copied and put as my desktop background.
“Feminism expects a man to be ethical, emotionally present, and accountable to his values in his actions with women- as well as with other men. Feminism loves men enough to expect them to act more honorably and actually believes them capable of doing so. ”
I would argue that feminism does the same for women. It is a set of values, not a credo, that expects all of us to behave honorably and actually believes us all capable enough to do so. Feminism is about treating others with respect and valuing the person inside the description (white-middle class-female, etc.).
The problem is, I spent 5 years of my life thinking of feminism as a credo that I just didn’t add up to. But it’s more than that. It’s better than that.
The term feminism has a problem that women’s literature has, that women’s health has, that the Office for Women and Girls in the White House has. It’s unfortunate that we need to label these things as if they’re different than the “norm.” But until Feminism becomes something that all people practice, we’ll need to label it to keep the movement alive.
Julie Z @ at 3:20 pm, July 22nd, 2009
@Meggie
thanks Meggie that was really thoughtful. I also believe that there is a lot of room for diversity in feminism – I don’t think there is ever one solid definition of feminism beyond equality. I also agree with your statement about the “label” of feminism – it should just be a part of society…but until then…