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		<title>By: Pb</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>Pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, correcting a typo: I meant to say that the music that disrespected women would be considered inappropriate, when I mentioned middle school dances.</description>
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		<title>By: Pb</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>Pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Sorry, meant unskilled dancers may be uncomforatble to look at, not skilled dancers</description>
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		<title>By: Pb</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-4126</link>
		<dc:creator>Pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sophomore in high school. In the past I have felt very torn about the issue of grinding.

Ever since middle school I have been attending dances that involve grinding. Basically, I have gone through the same thought process that the author of this article has, and the reason I feel torn is because, on the one hand, it looks fun, and people say it&#039;s fun, but then other times, it absolutely makes me sick to my stomach (I&#039;m not exaggerating) to see these guys dry-humping girls&#039; asses, and it&#039;s all the more bizarre that it is done to the beat of a song, simultaneously with many other couples. 

Also, Drewsie commented that grinding can be uncomfortable to look at. I think half of dancing is the idea that it is something you do for yourself, but the other part is that it is something that is done to be seen. Yes, some skilled dancers may be uncomfortable to look at while dancing, but grinding is uncomfortable to look at in a different way. It is uncomfortable to look at in the same way that it is uncomfortable to stand and watch people making out. Essentially, it is so sexual that I don&#039;t think it is decent to do in public.

I think that the idea that grinding is fun is not a valid excuse for it being acceptable. Lots of things are fun that you wouldn&#039;t just start doing in public, like having sex. Fun does not necessarily equal OK!

Also, I COMPLETELY agree with everything the author has said about the objectification of women in music. I I noticed that in middle school, all the dances where &quot;inappropriate&quot; music (aka music that did not disrespect women) was not played, but equally grindable songs (regarding their beat) were played, nobody grinded (ground...?). To me, this is proof that grinding is a direct result of the objectification of women in music, which in turn proves that grinding is a misogynistic practice.

I think it&#039;s ok for grinding to happen in private or at private parties- honestly, I don&#039;t care what you do beyond the public realm.

My main point: I don&#039;t have a problem with sexuality. I have a problem with its exploitation, and I think grinding in public places (especially schools) constitutes as a misuse of sexuality.

Oh, one last point (I know this comment is getting lengthy, haha). I think this is interesting. I asked the Chinese exchange student at my school if she found grinding to be a cultural shock, and she told me that she did, and that nobody in China dances like that. Also, I talked to someone who had lived in Mexico and attended an international school there, and nobody there grinded. So, as far as I know, it&#039;s just a U.S. thing. Any thoughts as to why this is/what it means? Are teens of the U.S. over-sexualized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sophomore in high school. In the past I have felt very torn about the issue of grinding.</p>
<p>Ever since middle school I have been attending dances that involve grinding. Basically, I have gone through the same thought process that the author of this article has, and the reason I feel torn is because, on the one hand, it looks fun, and people say it&#8217;s fun, but then other times, it absolutely makes me sick to my stomach (I&#8217;m not exaggerating) to see these guys dry-humping girls&#8217; asses, and it&#8217;s all the more bizarre that it is done to the beat of a song, simultaneously with many other couples. </p>
<p>Also, Drewsie commented that grinding can be uncomfortable to look at. I think half of dancing is the idea that it is something you do for yourself, but the other part is that it is something that is done to be seen. Yes, some skilled dancers may be uncomfortable to look at while dancing, but grinding is uncomfortable to look at in a different way. It is uncomfortable to look at in the same way that it is uncomfortable to stand and watch people making out. Essentially, it is so sexual that I don&#8217;t think it is decent to do in public.</p>
<p>I think that the idea that grinding is fun is not a valid excuse for it being acceptable. Lots of things are fun that you wouldn&#8217;t just start doing in public, like having sex. Fun does not necessarily equal OK!</p>
<p>Also, I COMPLETELY agree with everything the author has said about the objectification of women in music. I I noticed that in middle school, all the dances where &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; music (aka music that did not disrespect women) was not played, but equally grindable songs (regarding their beat) were played, nobody grinded (ground&#8230;?). To me, this is proof that grinding is a direct result of the objectification of women in music, which in turn proves that grinding is a misogynistic practice.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s ok for grinding to happen in private or at private parties- honestly, I don&#8217;t care what you do beyond the public realm.</p>
<p>My main point: I don&#8217;t have a problem with sexuality. I have a problem with its exploitation, and I think grinding in public places (especially schools) constitutes as a misuse of sexuality.</p>
<p>Oh, one last point (I know this comment is getting lengthy, haha). I think this is interesting. I asked the Chinese exchange student at my school if she found grinding to be a cultural shock, and she told me that she did, and that nobody in China dances like that. Also, I talked to someone who had lived in Mexico and attended an international school there, and nobody there grinded. So, as far as I know, it&#8217;s just a U.S. thing. Any thoughts as to why this is/what it means? Are teens of the U.S. over-sexualized?</p>
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		<title>By: Fauna</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Fauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember attending several 7th and 8th grade school dances when I was younger... the whole gym seemed to turned into one huge grinding conga line, it was disgusting. A boy tried to grind my friends, and it freaked her out - she felt violated. I agree with the need for consent with these dances</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember attending several 7th and 8th grade school dances when I was younger&#8230; the whole gym seemed to turned into one huge grinding conga line, it was disgusting. A boy tried to grind my friends, and it freaked her out &#8211; she felt violated. I agree with the need for consent with these dances</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel W.</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-4085</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I obviously hate grinding since it&#039;s only for dancing to crappy modern dance &amp; hip-hop music I can&#039;t stand in the first place (I&#039;ve got a sinking feeling that 3OH!3 is no good, even though I haven&#039;t heard them. Their name is not a good sign). I say, leave that stuff for when it really counts (by which I mean back at home, if you catch my drift here)and don&#039;t try and force the sleazy behavior on female dancers at the discotheque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I obviously hate grinding since it&#8217;s only for dancing to crappy modern dance &amp; hip-hop music I can&#8217;t stand in the first place (I&#8217;ve got a sinking feeling that 3OH!3 is no good, even though I haven&#8217;t heard them. Their name is not a good sign). I say, leave that stuff for when it really counts (by which I mean back at home, if you catch my drift here)and don&#8217;t try and force the sleazy behavior on female dancers at the discotheque.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Stupak &#124; Feminism &#124; fbomb</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-2206</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Stupak &#124; Feminism &#124; fbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] freshman, blogger at amplify and here at the fbomb and all around badass Leah Reis-Dennis is just one student who is taking an active role in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-1819</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been having trouble fully appreciating the concept of grinding myself. I&#039;m an avid dancer--I love to dance. At 19, I know swing, salsa, waltz, and a slew of other wonderful dances. Its not the sensuality--or the closeness--of grinding that I have an issue with...but that assertion most men make that &quot;she wants to be rubbed up on.&quot; I don&#039;t pick up particularly well on unspoken communication at times, so its very difficult for me to risk it...and clearly--asking is for whatever reason out of the question, as it has gotten me a &quot;no&quot; most/all of the time. I&#039;m currently trying to work out a way to dance with a girl in &quot;hip hop&quot; clubs that isn&#039;t overly sexual..but that isn&#039;t devoid of any sensuality. I also agree with your comment regarding the lyrics--terribly hard to NOT objective her when the song pretty much does just that FOR you. What makes this particularly hard for me to discern, is that I go to a university where a lot of people seem to take &quot;religious morals&quot; seriously--especially that tidbit of &quot;no sex before marriage&quot;--yet on the dance floor I see those girls grinding like there&#039;s no tomorrow. Very well written piece, at least I think so. I stay positive in the knowledge that there ARE ways to look sensual/sexy as a couple that don&#039;t entail making the girl look like a horny skank or the guy look like a sex-obsessed freak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having trouble fully appreciating the concept of grinding myself. I&#8217;m an avid dancer&#8211;I love to dance. At 19, I know swing, salsa, waltz, and a slew of other wonderful dances. Its not the sensuality&#8211;or the closeness&#8211;of grinding that I have an issue with&#8230;but that assertion most men make that &#8220;she wants to be rubbed up on.&#8221; I don&#8217;t pick up particularly well on unspoken communication at times, so its very difficult for me to risk it&#8230;and clearly&#8211;asking is for whatever reason out of the question, as it has gotten me a &#8220;no&#8221; most/all of the time. I&#8217;m currently trying to work out a way to dance with a girl in &#8220;hip hop&#8221; clubs that isn&#8217;t overly sexual..but that isn&#8217;t devoid of any sensuality. I also agree with your comment regarding the lyrics&#8211;terribly hard to NOT objective her when the song pretty much does just that FOR you. What makes this particularly hard for me to discern, is that I go to a university where a lot of people seem to take &#8220;religious morals&#8221; seriously&#8211;especially that tidbit of &#8220;no sex before marriage&#8221;&#8211;yet on the dance floor I see those girls grinding like there&#8217;s no tomorrow. Very well written piece, at least I think so. I stay positive in the knowledge that there ARE ways to look sensual/sexy as a couple that don&#8217;t entail making the girl look like a horny skank or the guy look like a sex-obsessed freak.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While &quot;being&quot; or &quot;looking&quot; sexy may feel empowering for women, is it really empowering? How is it empowering? This power is still being derived from within our patriarchal society. I mean, women feel powerful in this way because they are receiving the male gaze, and being hegemonically attractive or sexy in this way awards us male approval. But based on what? Our looks? So, we, as women, are receiving power from men, but men are still above us. 
Also, who determines what is sexy? Lingerie? Stripping? Grinding? Tight skirts? Make-up? Innuendos? I think we have a very narrow view of what &quot;sexy&quot; is and can be, and in turn it restricts our sexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While &#8220;being&#8221; or &#8220;looking&#8221; sexy may feel empowering for women, is it really empowering? How is it empowering? This power is still being derived from within our patriarchal society. I mean, women feel powerful in this way because they are receiving the male gaze, and being hegemonically attractive or sexy in this way awards us male approval. But based on what? Our looks? So, we, as women, are receiving power from men, but men are still above us.<br />
Also, who determines what is sexy? Lingerie? Stripping? Grinding? Tight skirts? Make-up? Innuendos? I think we have a very narrow view of what &#8220;sexy&#8221; is and can be, and in turn it restricts our sexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: PatriarchySlayer</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-1651</link>
		<dc:creator>PatriarchySlayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the opinion that we do need some better manners in clubs in the first place. Just because people go to a place that is loud, dark, and where people are drinking alcohol is no excuse for us to totally disregard our manners. We&#039;re not animals afterall. I am completely capable of respecting someone&#039;s wish to not grind on a perfect stranger. 

I also agree with some of the above posts in the sense that it feels great some days to get all sexy, and grind with someone. It does get boring though, of course. But I am always reminded of the sexy dancing in Dirty Dancing. 

So, a little respect, and a few more dance moves would be helpful. And less bitches, hos and sluts in songs would make me feel less like one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the opinion that we do need some better manners in clubs in the first place. Just because people go to a place that is loud, dark, and where people are drinking alcohol is no excuse for us to totally disregard our manners. We&#8217;re not animals afterall. I am completely capable of respecting someone&#8217;s wish to not grind on a perfect stranger. </p>
<p>I also agree with some of the above posts in the sense that it feels great some days to get all sexy, and grind with someone. It does get boring though, of course. But I am always reminded of the sexy dancing in Dirty Dancing. </p>
<p>So, a little respect, and a few more dance moves would be helpful. And less bitches, hos and sluts in songs would make me feel less like one.</p>
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		<title>By: hkp</title>
		<link>http://thefbomb.org/2009/09/grinding/comment-page-1/#comment-1582</link>
		<dc:creator>hkp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resent that grinding is the &quot;dance trend&quot; of our generation. Maybe I&#039;m severely antiquated, but I just don&#039;t see how grinding is a dance at all. If I&#039;m dancing with someone I want to see their face, hold hands, fit our feet around the same rhythm, or at the very least, employ a limb or two. Grinding is tiresome, out-of-context dry humping. What might be titillating in the bedroom looks lewd and above all lazy on the dance floor. It&#039;s not that there&#039;s no fancy footwork to it (the best dancing is an artless art) but that there is no room for creativity and movement beyond rub rub, up and down. It is physically limiting the way a dance should absolutely not be. And even more than most dances with roles of leader and follower (waltz, tango, the classics), grinding allows boys to effortlessly assume a position of power. This from a How to Grind guide aimed at middle to high school guys: &quot;She may lean forward, put her hands on her knees, and start to move her butt up and down against you pelvic area. Just stand there while she does it, you can either keep your hands on her hips or place them on her back.&quot; Just stand there? What kind of dance is this? Most guys are already shitty dancers, why are we making it easier for them? I too have definitely seen some dude texting or drinking while a girl is bent double gyrating her ass against him. Of course, we can all dance any way we want to, but it blows me that this particular &quot;dance&quot; has become so prevalent. Why can&#039;t we have an actually danceable dance, and not just an elbaorate pretext for strangers to rub their crotches against your ass in public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resent that grinding is the &#8220;dance trend&#8221; of our generation. Maybe I&#8217;m severely antiquated, but I just don&#8217;t see how grinding is a dance at all. If I&#8217;m dancing with someone I want to see their face, hold hands, fit our feet around the same rhythm, or at the very least, employ a limb or two. Grinding is tiresome, out-of-context dry humping. What might be titillating in the bedroom looks lewd and above all lazy on the dance floor. It&#8217;s not that there&#8217;s no fancy footwork to it (the best dancing is an artless art) but that there is no room for creativity and movement beyond rub rub, up and down. It is physically limiting the way a dance should absolutely not be. And even more than most dances with roles of leader and follower (waltz, tango, the classics), grinding allows boys to effortlessly assume a position of power. This from a How to Grind guide aimed at middle to high school guys: &#8220;She may lean forward, put her hands on her knees, and start to move her butt up and down against you pelvic area. Just stand there while she does it, you can either keep your hands on her hips or place them on her back.&#8221; Just stand there? What kind of dance is this? Most guys are already shitty dancers, why are we making it easier for them? I too have definitely seen some dude texting or drinking while a girl is bent double gyrating her ass against him. Of course, we can all dance any way we want to, but it blows me that this particular &#8220;dance&#8221; has become so prevalent. Why can&#8217;t we have an actually danceable dance, and not just an elbaorate pretext for strangers to rub their crotches against your ass in public?</p>
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